tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post116051396434544418..comments2023-04-04T04:38:01.234-07:00Comments on RosieBlogs: What Would You Do?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1161467636033763712006-10-21T14:53:00.000-07:002006-10-21T14:53:00.000-07:00I just received a sale flyer from Footprints, a Bi...I just received a sale flyer from Footprints, a Birkenstock retailer in Kansas. They advertise a "technical" sock at 70% off. Why: "the only reason they are on sale is that the label on the sock has the wrong contents listed." Does the same law apply to garments that applies to yarn?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1161051220769396542006-10-16T19:13:00.000-07:002006-10-16T19:13:00.000-07:00Hey, Lisa, I think you're safe as long as we have ...Hey, Lisa, I think you're safe as long as we have the Republicans to whale on, and that might be some time yet. Then you could have a potlatch for the yarn, in which it is shameful to offer less than what is offered. Let the courts gnaw on that awhile. Love, LAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160745914467255302006-10-13T06:25:00.000-07:002006-10-13T06:25:00.000-07:00What's really sounding wrong here is that it seems...What's really sounding wrong here is that it seems to play out this way:<BR/>1) Yarn Distributors sell LYS Questionable Product.<BR/>2) Product becomes known to be Questionable; Litigous Customers could nail LYS for $5G/skein.<BR/>3) YD says, no harm done, "not broken", won't reclaim QP.<BR/>4) LYS could go under entirely (or be badly hurt) by litigation.<BR/>5) YD's indifference could put LYS out of business without responsibility. <BR/><BR/>Is that it? - Underlying question, who is responsible (accountable) for mis-labelled yarns, under the law?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160598025660071012006-10-11T13:20:00.000-07:002006-10-11T13:20:00.000-07:00Not knowing what particular yarn is in question he...Not knowing what particular yarn is in question here, is it possible that it could be used as materials for workshops or classes? If so, customers would be paying for the lesson and not necessarily the yarn. Right? Just an idea...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160592330513417192006-10-11T11:45:00.000-07:002006-10-11T11:45:00.000-07:00How about willing it to your favorite podcasters t...How about willing it to your favorite podcasters to figure out what to do with it...we promise we won't tell...or sureKnitty Delicioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17699833265184037894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160589876921743702006-10-11T11:04:00.000-07:002006-10-11T11:04:00.000-07:00You have to wonder about the motivation. Follow th...You have to wonder about the motivation. Follow the money. The guy that approached our LYS wanted $50 for the results of his lab tests. Now, seriously, I don't think he's going to get rich by extorting $50 from yarn shops. What's *really* driving this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160587115573889642006-10-11T10:18:00.000-07:002006-10-11T10:18:00.000-07:00There's no formal trade association for LYSOs; the...There's no formal trade association for LYSOs; the closest thing, The National Needlework Association, also represents manufacturers, distributors, sales reps, etc. <BR/><BR/>The LYS's protection is supposed to be in requesting, every year, a warranty for each and every yarn from each and every supplier, attesting that the yarn is what it represents itself to be. Rosie's price list has 300+ yarns on it, and bookkeeping is not our best thing. <BR/><BR/>In a less litigious world, all of these good-faith efforts (removing or altering labels, posting warnings or disclaimers by the shelf) would be perfectly reasonable choices. Who, after all, would try to hold the shop responsible, when there's a manufacturer and/or a distributor out there? But it seems unwise to trust that everyone will behave reasonably, and I'd rather not be sued than have to defend myself (no matter how justly) or turn around and sue someone else.<BR/><BR/>Stay tuned.Lisa M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17503541878029508476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160585235332063722006-10-11T09:47:00.000-07:002006-10-11T09:47:00.000-07:00Can you get advice from a lawyer to find out wheth...Can you get advice from a lawyer to find out whether or not you can just post a sign by the yarn (or slap another sticker on the label) that says "the content of this yarn is disputed"? If not, it seems like you might just have to take a loss on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160582609035300352006-10-11T09:03:00.000-07:002006-10-11T09:03:00.000-07:00Another thought: isn't there an implied warranty f...Another thought: isn't there an implied warranty from the supplier that the labelling is accurate? I mean, the law could not reasonably expect every LYSO to test every line of yarn they carry to verify the labelling is correct. Seems to me that if Rosie's was sued, then suing up the chain to the supplier and manufacturer to indemnify you would be in order. Of course, that begs the question of whether you want to risk being sued in the first place.<BR/><BR/>Is there any legal barrier to giving the stuff away to customers as a shopper's bonus or something? Although that still leaves you with a loss for what you paid for the stock.Knittahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15945035053199605558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160582369648453152006-10-11T08:59:00.000-07:002006-10-11T08:59:00.000-07:00Is there a LYSO association or something? Some in...Is there a LYSO association or something? Some industry group that provide guidance on whether it is "safe" to sell the yarn? And outing the yarn might be a good idea, so we as consumers know what we're getting into. I certainly don't want to support a manufacturer who is unwilling to fix such a problem.Knittahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15945035053199605558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160580696343373022006-10-11T08:31:00.000-07:002006-10-11T08:31:00.000-07:00The problem is that there is a statute which says ...The problem is that there is a statute which says if you sell yarn without an accurate label, you can get fined some ridiculous amount per ball. So if you sell it in any form, you are taking on the risk of those fines. If you sell it as mystery yarn, it has no label and you're liable. If you sell it and the content is different from what the label says, you're liable too. I bet there is room for some standard of deviation from the label (e.g. if the label says 75% wool and there's 73% or 78%) but if it says 75% wool and there's no wool in it, or only a tiny amount, you're screwed.Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651035210994960810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160574693038584862006-10-11T06:51:00.000-07:002006-10-11T06:51:00.000-07:00How about posting a little notice on the shelves w...How about posting a little notice on the shelves where the yarn is sold?Sherry Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103490521732524156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160570989957720282006-10-11T05:49:00.000-07:002006-10-11T05:49:00.000-07:00My LYS had the same problem with the offending yar...My LYS had the same problem with the offending yarn. The owner decided to sell it off cheap, explaining in detail why. It may be that someone is getting a heckuva deal, but the owner wasn't comfortable with selling something that might not be what it purports. She is extremely unhappy with the company.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160537173887707002006-10-10T20:26:00.000-07:002006-10-10T20:26:00.000-07:00Good ideas all, but:Having the yarn tested is very...Good ideas all, but:<BR/><BR/>Having the yarn tested is very expensive--and since several players in this drama have already done so, and reported conflicting results, it's not likely to resolve anything.<BR/><BR/>Thus far, the manufacturer has expressed no willingness to take the yarn back. They maintain that the yarn isn't "broken," so they're under no obligation to fix it.<BR/><BR/>In this particular case, there's little risk of an allergic reaction, since the debate is over the proportions of the fiber content (or, at an extreme, whether a particular fiber is present or not). No one has found any sign of any fiber <I>not</I> mentioned on the label.<BR/><BR/>What else have you got?Lisa M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17503541878029508476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160536684324444442006-10-10T20:18:00.000-07:002006-10-10T20:18:00.000-07:00There is more to the story. We are paying prime mo...There is more to the story. We are paying prime money for the yarn we get here in the USA. I know for a fact that we are higher prices than the rest of the world for the same or similar yarn. The problem with mislabeling is not only that we are not getting what we are paying for, the big problem has to do with allergies. What if a person is allergic to some specific fiber and then what? I have not ever seen or heard of anyone having an anaphylactic shock due to fiber but I do know of severe and not nice allergic reactions. So.......if it is happening we should put a stop to it. My 2 cents.Laritzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06380883584186444453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160519968607219122006-10-10T15:39:00.000-07:002006-10-10T15:39:00.000-07:00I've heard about this, though I won't "out" the ya...I've heard about this, though I won't "out" the yarn in question.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I have trouble trusting the source of the information. My instinct (NB: I'm not an LYSO) would be to send a sample - or better yet, several - to the testing agency, assuming the profit (or loss) on the current inventory would make up the cost of testing.<BR/><BR/>Better to know, one way or the other; whatever you decide, this will likely have an impact on your relationship with the distributor and the label.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160519790839796442006-10-10T15:36:00.000-07:002006-10-10T15:36:00.000-07:00You would think your distributor would somehow 're...You would think your distributor would somehow 'recall' the offending skeins.Sherry Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103490521732524156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160517768810875542006-10-10T15:02:00.000-07:002006-10-10T15:02:00.000-07:00can you post it back to the manufacturer? Explain ...can you post it back to the manufacturer? Explain to them that you're not legally able to sell this yarn until the issue is worked out?Crazy Colorado Knitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07942191199194590175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160517526920711682006-10-10T14:58:00.000-07:002006-10-10T14:58:00.000-07:00Well, that's the kicker, isn't it? Unless you pay...Well, that's the kicker, isn't it? Unless you pay for some lab to test it, you don't really know exactly what the content is.Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651035210994960810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12462914.post-1160516808911111592006-10-10T14:46:00.000-07:002006-10-10T14:46:00.000-07:00How about if YOU relable it? Do you know what the...How about if YOU relable it? Do you know what the content is? Place a lable sticker on it, and sell it for what you believe it to be discounted to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com